I was thinking about this recently, you should be able to convert unwavering pawns and they should lose their unwavering status upon conversion and require the additional normal recruitment period that vanilla demands in order for them to be recruited.

This would represent their extreme loyalty to their original faction better while also providing an immersive method for players to tackle unwavering prisoners.

Once their ideology is broken this means their allegiance to their original faction is also partially gone psychologically, this represented by their unwavering loyalty going away but their loyalty to their old faction remains in tact to some degree and thus require further additional recruitment to persuade them to stay.

@Stuff It is not hard to find research articles within neruoscience, psychology or physiology that strongly indicate that coercive methods of interrogation are worse than non-coercive methods. To mention a few since you asked for specific references: (1) Goodman-Delahunty, J., Martschuk, N. &. Dhami, M. K. Appl. Cognitive Psych. 28, 883–897 (2014). (2) Russano, M. B., Narchet, F. M., Kleinman, S. M. & Meissner, C. A. Appl. Cognitive Psych. 28, 847–859 (2014). The belief that it works is usually built on baseless assumptions.

@AzoorFox
It is updated. I just didn't bother to make a new image. :)

@wylantern please name the studies you mentioned

It would be nice if there was a option to change how much the resistance is reduced after conversion.

UPDATE WHEN???????????????????

Curious,

If you put your own ideology pawns in prison, do they lose certainty at an increased rate too depending on their mood? 🤔

@Eng-Chasers
Torture never works. Been studied for a hundred of years, and always fails at the desired outcome.

@Eng-Chasers
If you're trying to force-convert them into some violent pirate-ideology perhaps.

Not a very persuasive argument if you're running a sanctuary, holy light church, or trying to get them to agree with a bunch of peace-loving hippies.

I've not removed the ability for low mood to reduce belief, only made it so you can persuade someone over by treating them well in addition to the typical vanilla Rimworld pitch-black 1x2 ideo-conversion nightmare cells covered in vomit.

It makes sense though.
"I am getting tortured for believing in the wrong gods?"
"All this pain and suffering will go away if I embrace the new gods?"
"son of a betch, I'm in"

"Emergent behavior"
Read:
The game is intentionaly designed poorly
to allow RNG to dick you over as much as possible.

@Zorrobyte. It's because Tynan is good at triggering emergent stuff. You would want low mood in vanilla to recruit them faster, but it would also mean more prisoners escape.

Although I understand the aim of @RedMattis, this mod is disabling this emergent behavior...

I had no idea vanilla rimworld was the worse you treat prisoners, the better. Makes sense why I never could seem to get converts LOL

Asked Perplexity about it, and increasing mood, not lowering it seems to lead to better attempts via paper "Religion and Rehabilitation as Moral Reform: Conceptualization and Preliminary Evidence"

Thanks for the mod!

@PatoPixelado
Yes.

This is compatible with likely every mod on the workshop. :)

work okay with T's Conversion Staff?

@Naraxa
Probably. Iirc. I just check how happy they are and adjust certainty according.

Can this work with enhanced beliefs? They both change how certainty works and I'm curious how they'd interact with each other https://steamproxy.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/comments/3233416451

"This is not a bug. It is just a minor side-effect of my overzealous performance optmizations :) "
I think I like this one

@Pip
I expect they should work fine together. Overlapping patches is usually fine as long as it isn't transpilers.

Is this compatible with Priority Treatment Resurrected? (https://steamproxy.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3009738919?
There are overlapping harmony patches so I wanted to check

@Vulkandrache
Should work fine. :)

@MekaManiac
I'll put it on the to-do list. No promises when I'll get around to doing it though.

Is there going to a be problem in combination with
https://steamproxy.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3014074079

Could we expect a mod option slider in a future update to change how much converting someone lowers resistance? I feel like I recruit prisoners too fast for my taste (as it makes it instant after conversion) with this mod but still love the way it helps converting

Great idea, but hard to add mid-save when my prison is already a misery maximizer. Gotta save this one for my next playthrough...

@Turambar
35% of their mood bar. Same thresholds as vanilla certainity gain. :)

OK, thank you for the details, maybe you should put them in the description? Also, should it be above 35% or rather relative to the pawn break threshold?

@Turambar
For performance related to patches it doesn't tick as often as the certainity calculation does. It doesn't actually remove the certinity gain, but rather apply twice as much in the opposite direction every now and then when the conditions are filled.

If you watch a high-mood prisoner over a full day you'll often see it do stuff like: 33%, 34%, 33%, 32%, 33%, 32%, ...

Do make sure the prisoners mood is above 35% though, otherwise it won't do anything to the certainty.

The certainty change does not seem to work, could it be a conflict? I don't think I have another mod touching that part of the game.

thank you the old one i used hasnt been updated i used it because i keep them in a shitty barracks but this one gives me a reason to get them a better one anyhow my prisoners thank you

thank you <3

Yes, I’ve not seen any issues on 1.5. :)

so this mod works well in 1.5?

Nice; I would prefer to convert by showing how much better it is on this side. Look, even our prisoners have better living conditions than your colonists, and also we have cookies!

tysm for this mod! (:

Thank god, I was always annoyed at how if you want to convert a pawn you have to leave them in the most destitute 2x3 cell w/ no lights or real bed if you want them to lose belief in their ideoligion, then move them to a luxury prison afterwards to make them fully join your colony.

Good shit, made me cream a little fr.

Please be patient with Ethan. He lacks basic manners, something most people come with.

ignore ethan, hes just a troll it seems

Amazing mod btw!

Yo was thinking.

Maybe change the way the crisis of belief mental break works, instead of a prisoner randomly flipping to another ideology if their certainty is below 50% while having it, they instead just remain at 0%? This way they can be easily converted by the warden and you don't need to keep track of these prisoners the whole time whether or not they are below 50% certainty. It's annoying if they flip just because they were SLIGHTLY below 50% and you didn't keep track of every certainty drop they had.

(keep it the same for actual non-prisoner colonists/slaves though, so it only works for prisoners)

wololo is a great name for this!!

nc

I can finally get rid of those shitty "only married can do love" cult easily (my whole colony are Yuri, they can't have baby, what the problem about 2 animate girls on same bed)

@Victor
I can't see anything related to this mod in the error.

The BetterHealthTab, Pawnmorpher, CLIK(?), mods might be having some issues in that modlist though.

Prisoner: "You napalm bombed my hometown,
killed hundreds of innocent people, including my family!
Do you really think I am going to join that messed up war criminal club of yours?!"
Warden: "WOLOLOO!"
Prisoner: "Okay, you make a great point here, sign me up, chief."

Does this error mean there's an incompatibility between the two mods? Line 4477 of
https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/d97e4e0c0ae2123e6715de8fdb2fcb17#file-output_log-txt-L4477
says: TKS_PriorityTreatment: harmony conflicts detected, please report mods if things are acting up
My pawn's health parts are gone, but there are many other mods that may be causing it :/

I guess what I'm trying to say there are traits that would not convert to an ideal regardless of what you did for them, leading to extremes that should require removing or replacing that trait with trauma. Like real life.

There should be a hypo toad technology. Just reduce will and cognition by feeding drugs then nothing but propaganda tv until they develop certainty in your ideals. Instead of classic torture by boring speeches or beat stick. The drugging part is kind an essential shortcut for convincing a cannibal pyromaniac psychopath to join your free love commune.

havent tried the mod yet, but it would be cool if will is increased if your ideology does not approve of slavery.