That is nothing compared to the borderline unfair and annoying random crits, the amount of cheaters, and the terrible hit detection.

@Blu | No, TF2 is broken. Pyro as a class is broken, his flamethrower gets better the higher his ping is. If you think that isn't broken, you're insane.

@tuprex TF2 isn't broken its been out for years and people have mastered some items.

@Blu | Overwatch is still much more balanced than TF2. I still think that there balance issues but it isn't broken, like TF2.

@Tuprex i don't want to get off the TF2 conversation but overwatch does have broken ability and stats that are consistently getting nerfed (roadhog hook just got fixed after a year.)

@Blu | I disagree that Overwatch is broken, it all comes down to who counters who and who is better at doing what. I don't enjoy overwatch myself but I still think its mostly balanced.

@tuprex Yes, Overwatch :/ very broken game

@Blu | Have you ever played a game that really doesn't have a very good community, that abuses the broken weapons just so they can win...constantly? Try fighting against that as a player who actually values a nice even match, and you can tell me how you feel. It wouldn't be as hard to release updates that get good feedback if they decided to listen more to the community in the PAST, I am very happy that they are communicating more with the us now. That still doesn't change the fact that there is also a "workshop" that they could also focus a bit more on, but like I still understand the unmanaged TF2 team problems.

Well its valve fault not the tf2 dev team there trying with ONLY 11 PEOPLE! ITS HARD FOR THEM! yes its dying because of people who give up on the game because of the updates! if you guys stop worrying about the damn updates and enjoy the game with your friends im sure the game would still be healthy just like the past!

Agree with that.