I'm very much late, but to anyone coming after me and wondering, the mod does appear to be compatible with CK2+.

Any chance of a final update?

Well with this mod I will be calmer that my family rules for a long time

Can you make one that's just for all monarchs? Just under co-ruler or something and you can appoint your children, spouse(s), or just any family member?

hopefully old julian the apostate doesn't swipe my position as emperor lol

Works with HIP (without EMF), save-game-compatible.

Compatible with WTWSMS?

Ck2+ compatible?

Howdy! I just wanted to let you know that I've posted on the workshop a HIP compatibility version of your mod, which I of course credits you fully for.

If you want me to remove my version from the workshop, because you want to make your own or have any other reason at all, please let me know so I can remove it. :)

@Migstar117 I think I don't have time for this mod at the moment, for the real life problems are striking me hard right now. Feel free to make your own, if you want, given that you cite me!

hey is that HIP compatibility mod on the way or have you shelved it?

Love this mod man. Great work have been using this since it first came out.

I'm definitely gonna use this for my next ERE run.

dont mean to pester, but i eagerly wait for your HIP compatibility.

does this work with HIP yet or is it coming in the future?

@metaluis90 Yes, that is intended. +25 for being a co-emperor, additional +10 for being an adult co-emperor.

@Reiksguard me agrees, but have the title be destroyed when an emperor dies and give the heir to the Kingdom that founded it (irl, Germany) a decision to crown himself (w/ or w/o papal approval)

@Reiksguard what Reiksguard said, but limiting it ONLY to the heir, and making something like "King Elect of Germany/Romans"

Dats damn great mod. also, would you plz make hre vision too??

I tried it out on an ongoing game and it seems to work. Albeit gave me microstutter. Also has the double opinion bonus as mataluis90 mentioned below.

Does this still work with the current 3.2 version?

I tried and worked well so far. I could appoint a symbasileus using the portrait menu, and it shows as a council voter on the menu.

One question, is it normal that the symbasileus gets the same opinion bonus on the elector panel twice? I'm talking about the "He is already emperor, what else?" the symbasileus gets.

Great mod, man.

Ok. I will try to build a compatibility version this weekend.

it seems to work for the most part other than the co-emperor voting slot. i think that HIP has some different names or localization for the court jobs or something like that

I have no idea, since I do not have any gameplay experience in HIP. Would you mind testing it out and let me know of the outcome? I may post it on the description. Thank you in advance!

Is this compatible with HIP?

Updated: Now you can (tyrannically) appoint people that are not the heir to the empire as co-emperors. This will, however, cause a prestige hit and vassal opinion penalties. So you'd better first make them heir to the empire and then make them symbasileuses. Note that your children are exceptions to these rules, and now you can make them symbasileuses from their birth, as the real Byzantine Emperors did historically.

@In theory, yes. I also know that mod and I am currently trying to build a version of my mod that is integrated to the imperial court societies (like, the symbasileus replacing the ICS imperial regent position).

WIll this mod be compatible with The Imperial Court Societies mod?

@gorrila19 yes, but they will do so only if the heir is ai's close family.

Will the AI be able to use this?

Works just fine. I'll make some suggestions in the appropriate thread. Thank you for the mod, @bighungryjames, it's really a mechanic that PDX must implement in the base game.

@finrod Hm... According to the logics, that should be possible if that non-dynast is the prefered candidate by the voters. The conditional phrase should check if the character is the heir to the byzantine empire, so if you get him to be the heir to the Byzantium, you should be able to appoint him the symbasileus. If not, notify me and I should devise a method to allow that. I cannot test it right now, so notify me asap. P.S. What can't I do for the mighty Lord Felagund the Master of Nargothrond? :)

Hm, can you make a non-dynasty character your co-emperor ? I'm thinking in the line of Romanos Lekapenos and Constantine VII co-rulership. Also, for child-emperors, can you designate your regent as co-emperor ?

@Lavrentiy Beria My pleasure. Actually it is truely an honour to hear that my idea triggers your history class flashbacks; my country only have very brief history sessions in Byzantine Empire due to the geographical distance, so I had to learn pretty much everything on my own.

Holly heck, have to say mate kinda forgot the Co-Emperor "situation" for some time and gave history lessons flashbacks.

For good reason as well, indeed you made very good points since current features are lacking fully giving us more a "historically accurate" how the Empire really functioned. Paradox should pay you and implement this mod in the base game; well done.

Reported bug in bug report.

@Grzesio Yes, with a council vote as well.

So its just another despot but with opinion bonus and born in purple offspring, right?

@kamcity13 Well, that's a to-do list on my side (future plans for the mod), so you don't need to do anything on your side. I'm still a learner as this is my first ck2 mod. I wish I knew how to add cloth/portrait changing depending on the honourary titles.

@Heavy, Glad to hear that. I'm absolutely flattered. Enjoy!

This mod seems like the thing that Paradox should pay you for the rights for and then add to the base game.

@bighungryjames @kurthakon Thanks for the info. Also how do I add the graphical GFX so that the Symbasileus wear Emperor clothing.

@Lord_Daemonar Yes, it will. But the name of the title will be changed to Co-Emperor.

Does this mechanic continue working once the Roman Empire is restored?

Oh, and to search these kinds of information in the web, use the keyword "phorphyrogenitus" or "born in the purple", instead of symbasileuses. The term "Symbasileus" is not generally used in English literatures, as this is, strictly speaking, a Greek word just transcribed in Latin alphabet. Most of the English texts use "co-emperors" instead. It seems it is CK2's policy to add more flavor by intentionally avoiding the use of proper English translations for many of the titles, most notably Kaiser for the HRE.

@kamcity In addition to the most popular case of Basileios II the Bulgar-Slayer, the empress Zoe, one, was also considered phorphyrogenita (which is the key reason why marrying her granted the throne to three different emperors) despite the fact that she was daughter to Konstantinos VIII (Constantine VIII), who never really ruled as the senior emperor. Hope this answers your curiosity.

@kamcity13 There's at least one known case of this actually happening. Basil II 'the Bulgar Slayer' was born during his grandfather's reign, and was considered as born in purple despite the fact that Basil's father Romanos II didn't ascend to the throne until 1-2 years after Basil's birth.

Was this indeed factual?? Cant find anything about a symbasileus children being born in purple in history.

@kurthakon Oh, thank you. I will test it now. Thank you for reporting it to me.