you can watch the video on x0.25 speed

02.34 on video

10.16 on video

10.33 on video

10.34 on video

10.38 on video


06.03 he shoved commons with aimtoggle(looking at charger) he turns back and starts to kill commons

in this stiuation what order you would kill that three zombies
let me tell you.
ur reflex and instinct kill them in order with 1, 2, 3,
this is what fray tries to do;
cuz zombie 1 is the nearest to center(crossair)
in order u go with 2 and then 3
cuz its reflexes + instincts always tells u to shoot zombies at nearest to center. after shoving them (thats why u always got hit from behind)
but aimtoggle wants to kill zombie3 before zombie2
cuz zombie 3 at closer distance.
but zombie 2 more near to center(crossair) than zombie 3
so fray shoots at zombie 2(his mind knows zombie 1 dead) but it doesnt kill. aimtoggle still shooting at zombie 1 for a moment then it shooting zombie 3"
u know what i mean
aim toggle kills and weird bulled moment happens again

start watch 06.09 with x0,25 speed
06.12 -> like i said after he kills "zombie 1" goes for "zombie 2" which is totally normal but his shot doesnt even seen and "zombie 2" dont die here zombie 2 dies last
after that keep watching on normal speed and he aims a little to charger again
after reloading and moving on

you can use x0.25 speed again

he clearly seeing ghosts and reacting.
08.20 when booomer ghost spawn
its already on slow mo u can make x0.25 speed again
his aim tickle to boomer
its reflex? or aim toggle u tell me
if its aim toggle he is cheating
if its reflex then he definetly seeing ghosts
= he is cheaing
is there any other explaination?


supposed to react at biled spitter behind the wall if he wouldnt able to see at first place. but he didnt react cuz he already sees spit

[08:35]
sheo:
Hola
Can you send me the demo that you recorded the fray's video from please?

[09:16]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
Are you trying to be smarter than me

[09:16]
sheo:
I am

[09:16]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
How

[09:16]
sheo:
So, can I get the demo please?

[09:17]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
Any proof that u are smarter than me?

[09:17]
sheo:
Look I dont want to argue with you, neither do i need this
But since fray got banned on sirplease, this is becoming kinda, idk, serious
And it would be fair if you give me the demo, so I can investigate the case closer

[10:49]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
If u cant see the %100 clear hack from video, sorry pal ur nothing but name deffender. U cant accept the truth cuz it humialete all tournements fray joined and people who played with fray. I never said fray just cheating. He has skills but what he achieved not just skill and this video is proof. This case is serious and it was all along. I know he was cheating long time ago U monkeys must be real fan of his gayness xd most of them played with legit cheater thousands hours and still thinks he is legit. Thats because of name defenders and liberals.
I dont have the demo but noone need the demo its clear on video he hacking.

[10:51]
sheo:
Well, thanks, I already heared that. So can I see the demo? It's your goal to ban him everywhere. If he is a cheater, friend or not, I would ban him on Safehouse. But I need demo
Ah you dont have it..

[10:52]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
Yeah
Sorry for dissappointing you
Cuz i am not smart enough to record the demo lol

[10:52]
sheo:
It's not you who disappointed me, it's Sir
never mind
Bye

[10:53]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
Well sir did true move
Why sir?
Well enjoy the hackers on ur safehause my friend. I hope he spreads cheats enough to play 4v4 cheats tournament

[11:21]
sheo:
yeah?

[11:21]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
why u need to demo

[11:22]
sheo:
I dont think it matters, since the demo does not exist

[11:23]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
but why
demo matters

[11:23]
sheo:
Well, because, I wanted to record a better quality video, and prove that this cheating accusation is false

[11:24]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
okay why it is false

[11:26]
sheo:
Uh
Okei
First things first: what is the list of cheats he is accused in exactly?
Like, the exact list

[11:26]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
stop typing like autistic kid and write seriously

[11:26]
sheo:
Aimbot? Silent aimbot? Wallhack/ESP?

[11:26]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
yeah

[11:27]
sheo:
What kind of aimbot exactly? They can't be used both at once

[11:27]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
its toggle

[11:27]
sheo:
alright

[11:28]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
cant u see the bullets in some moments goes diffirent directions a milisecond later aim turns
to where bullet goes

[11:29]
sheo:
Yeah I can see that, that's how spectating works
Do it yourself on a local server, record yourself and watch later
on slowed down replay

[11:30]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
its not
demo
its recording from live game

[11:30]
sheo:
Aimbot: during the whole video he does not show any aimbotting behaviour. He misses targets, always shooting to different parts of body. Aimbots don't work like that

[11:30]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
since its toggle_aim

[11:30]
sheo:
Yeah, but it's spectating. Lagcompensation works on you when you are spectating

[11:31]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
which means he presses to a key to activate it while its on aim or just bullets
follow the target
for a second

[11:32]
sheo:
Have you ever played with cheats? Doesn't matter where and when

[11:32]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
then he flicks it to look legit
yep i did played
cs 1.6

[11:32]
sheo:
Then you probably know, it's very hard to maintain human-like aiming
during the whole game

[11:33]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
well did u ever
played againts cheaters
on l4d2

[11:33]
sheo:
Sure thing, i've got a good experience catching cheaters

[11:33]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
nice.
how many time
before
u played ur last pub
game
since ur a t1 player and t1 server owner
u only play with pros

[11:34]
sheo:
I still play pubs
Alongside with comp lobbies

[11:34]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
good
did u ever encounter
cheats
recently

[11:35]
sheo:
What a weird question. Of course I did.
There are many cheaters on pubs

[11:35]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
did u ban them on ur server

[11:35]
sheo:
Well I did

[11:35]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
can i see ur ban list

[11:36]
sheo:
Still can't follow what are this questions about
yeah ok
http://l4d2all.ru/safehouse/publicbans/

[11:36]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
if ur banning cheaters i can see how recently u played pub

[11:37]
sheo:
I just told you how recently I played pub

[11:37]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
Steam Community :: naxci
<3
https://steamproxy.com/id/naxci/

xD
what hax he using
btw

[11:38]
sheo:
Removed sounds. But he's got his second chance, and he's obligated to record videos of his play
not removed, modified sounds*
Where do you live? America?

[11:39]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
sorry for ask but this list is very short. when u have the server from since i mean
i live in turkey

[11:39]
sheo:
Since april

[11:40]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
cheat bans are so less

[11:40]
sheo:
Nice. Let's join US server. You will spectate me, and record a video. And you'll witness the same shooting behaviour that you think is cheating

[11:41]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
sure thing
but
the fact is
we didnt play us server

[11:41]
sheo:
Whatever, we just need a high ping server
The ping is never zero anyway
So, les do it rn?

[11:42]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
sure

[11:44]
sheo:
sheo kullanıcısı sizi Left 4 Dead 2 yayınını izlemesi için davet etti
sheo sizi Left 4 Dead 2 oynamak için davet etti

[11:44]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
do u ever know what silent aim
or u think hax dont work on competitive servers

[11:45]
sheo:
Dude wtf
I know what silent aim is
And you can't see ghosts on competitive servers with your wallhacks

[11:45]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
why

[11:45]
sheo:
Because they are not transmitter to a survivor client
transmitted*

[11:46]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
but he can still aim
bot

[11:46]
sheo:
Yes

[11:46]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
so
dont let bots kill me so i can directly watch u

[11:48]
sheo:
Wait, you are supposed to watch me from specs
While dead

[11:48]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
ikr

[11:55]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
so let me edit this and upload
it will be ready
in a hour
i will edit this on slow mo just like fray's vid

[11:56]
sheo:
You don't need to upload
Just see for yourself

[11:56]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
if its now like fray's
it its not like fray's
if its not like fray's*
what if its not like fray's

[11:57]
sheo:
Well, then I' need to think
It should be like fray's

[11:58]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
then i need to upload so we cant analys together

[11:58]
sheo:
alright

[11:58]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
but if it is not like fray's then u will accept i am smarter than you

[11:58]
sheo:
lmao

[11:58]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
and i am delete the video from my profile (not on youtube)
if u are right

[11:59]
sheo:
Well, the next step would be trying to reproduce that behaviour, because it's clearly not a silent aim, and I've seen this before many times

[11:59]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
are we having a deal or not?

[12:00]
sheo:
Well alright
We are having a deal

[12:00]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
okay
i like you my friend
i will upload

[12:00]
sheo:
But only if my aiming is clearly visible on the video

[12:00]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
its same record as frays
same resolution
same quality

[12:01]
sheo:
alright

[12:01]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
i will just do slow mo on ur aimings
with a pleasure

[13:54]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
/quoteon aimbot bullets always goes first
on aimbot bullets always goes first
i will upload ur video
flickering
not a single bullet
spread that way
can we move to next moement

[13:55]
sheo:
ALso, where is he shooting exactly? I dont see a commonn there, nor there was any common following him
The only common staying in the room was killed

[13:56]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
common that he shoved before . aimbots can detects enemies behind a penetrating wall
lets go 05.12
snaping aim

[13:58]
sheo:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1695031499289111910/8FA95189538A8CC8D51631A93DAB54396F81270F/

A common and a shooting spot
There were 2 commons left in the room, both burning
for like 3-4 seconds
Yeah there is a possibilito for more commons coming from behind, but that's exactly what you need demo for
To watch it with mathack

[14:01]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
sadly i do not have demo
still those bullets
are hax
because bullets always goes first
golden rule

[14:01]
sheo:
A charger headshot on 5.12
Yeah it's suspicious, cant fight that

[14:02]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
10 hp charger already
its aimbot but its "toggle_aim" bad timgin on toggleing
and shooting
bad timing
in tourneys
or in ur servers
even if cant wallhack
he can still do aimbot
and he covering it by flickering
and pro team
xd
covering random corners that possibilty getting atacak from
flickering suspicuisly
autistic 180 degree flicks
random
just cause he is pro?

[14:05]
sheo:
Yeah I respect your concern, but it's just a warning. It requires more spectating and demo recording

[14:05]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
lets move
to next one

[14:05]
sheo:
But Sir just banned the guy "just in case"
okei go

[14:06]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
ok
06.00
make playspeed 0.25
and watch
my slow mo + youtube slow mo
i excited to explaing what going on here
are watch
then tell me
when he helps surviovr 3 zombies runs
towards him and hits
he m2ies right
he m2 zombie
s
right?

[14:08]
sheo:
thats right

[14:08]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
yeah
he uses aim toggle here
his m2 flicks on ghost* also the zombies
its trick to swipeing all around when u surrounded

[14:10]
sheo:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1695031499289152172/BA26042B35082F360F8C73AF7C2822B90A417A20/

[14:10]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
i mean u swipe and m2

[14:10]
sheo:
There is no ghost on the pic

[14:10]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
right
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702170829/9ABA2157F6C169CC600C4735812FCB2F4E62F16F/

[14:12]
sheo:
It's on the left. He never aimed there or even looked there
This swiping around is needed to increase your m2 range

[14:12]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
yep
thas a trick
swipe is good
but this is aim toggle swipe so it makes him turn on ghost charg. also i watched one of his twitch vids
he aimtoggles while fast meleing zombies
arent u just swipe with mele
let me send the moment

[14:16]
sheo:
That is not aim-toggle =|
tf
The guy just moved his mouse to that direction and vice versa

[14:16]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1137010647

[14:16]
sheo:
If it was aim toggle, he would delay before moving back

[14:17]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
i will tell u the time gimme sec

[14:20]
sheo:
I need to go dinner, i'll come back in an hour

[14:20]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
k

[14:34]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
17,17 -18 26
If it was aim toggle, he would delay before moving back
what do u mean
also back to my vid and 06.03
my analys "he shoved commons with aimtoggle(looking at charger) he turns back and starts to kill commons
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702262182/A21FE1F04E9CB5EDD440842522ED0029D8C5B5A3/

he starts shooting
what would you doo
in this stiuation
let me tell you
u kill them with 1 2 3
this is what fray tries to do
cuz its 1 nearest
to center
in order u go with 2 and then 3
cuz its reflexes
but aimtoggle wants to kill 3 before 2
cuz it closer
2 cloer than 3
closer
to center
u know what i mean
aim toggle kills and weird bulled moment happens again
start watch 06.09 with x0,25 speed
06.12 -> like i said after he kills "zombie 1" goes for "zombie 2" which is totally normal but his shot doesnt even seen and "zombie 2" dont die here zombie 2 dies last
after that keep watching on normal speed and he aims a little to charger again
after reloading and moving on
08,20 when booomer ghost spawn
its already on slow mo u can make x0.25 speed again
his aim tickle to boomer
its reflex? or aim toggle u tell me
if its aim toggle he is cheating
if its reflex then he definetly seeing ghosts
= he is cheaing
is there any other explaination
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702315916/13CA4113AAF1B98474B05B7D4636277453653019/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702316495/96C344E1BA4968F673E04979D4044B3CF1218136/

early on elevator u can see he turns towards every ghost that passing http://him.on corridors
08.35
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702331755/3C2C83A51EA0EA4104176B4CC778A333CD556B11/

he doesnt give a reaction when he supposed to see spitter cuz he already sees it
08.54 i sack the smoker to watchim more
go to 10.05
again x0.25 speed
he jumps and his aim snaps
10.13 why no m2+ wide swipe instead m2 +lock on zombies
with high sens users like this impossible
lock on
it supposed to be wide swipe m2
keep watching on x0.25 speed

[15:10]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
10.16
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702374076/E678A408213544D5DF61FED28E8E3B5212CCCF25/

10.33
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702375271/E17A3BC48831F911037B06456993C8FD7ED3C0EA/

10.34
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702378436/3E2FF5ACBF027B47E3008D19F25A7806A7C22142/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702380726/E3AE4B7949250878A4A6A59CEE006E8ECFD41989/

when zombie dies =10.35
10.38
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678143036702387854/CE9C6C7390C2DC7E0194E8FE65ED61791D8CF68B/

[15:15]
sheo:
what do u mean
I mean if it's an automatic aim toggle, he woul need a split second to realize what happened and decide where to move next. but he just turns his mouse, without hesitation, instantly
Thats not automatic aim toggle

[15:17]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
thats why he flicks
to look legit
lol
keep reaind
reading

[15:19]
sheo:
u kill them with 1 2 3
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, as long as they are all close to each other, the order doesnt matter
both wariants, 1 2 3 and 1 3 2 look equally good for a human

[15:20]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
well he does like i said
he shoves them and starts shooting to nearest 1 to center

[15:22]
sheo:
08,20 when booomer ghost spawn
He is not aiming at boomer
And he is not reacting to a boomer in any way

[15:23]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
its not thinking killing 1 2 3 in that moment its instinct to kill 1 2 3 bro but aim toggle goes with 1 3 2 cuz 3 nearest
And he is not reacting to a boomer in any way

[15:24]
sheo:
Yeah sorry, im getting tired of this, and im also at work, which means i dont have much time
What is the most solid moment of your video? Like 100% proof
in your opinion

[15:25]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
are you serious watch it on x0.25 speed/quote his aim tickle to boomerits reflex? or aim toggle u tell meif its aim toggle he is cheatingif its reflex then he definetly seeing ghosts= he is cheaingis there any other explaination
thats all i got
and bullet screen shots
xd

[15:26]
sheo:
One thing you have to keep in mind, is that he is human, and he in not playing in slowmotion. Wallhackking should be rewiewed in x1.00

[15:27]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
and 1 thing u have to keep in mind is u are not watching casual player cheat

[15:27]
sheo:
If he is following the boomer's foot for 0.3 seconds, it's not human. If it's not human, it's aimbot. If it's aimbot, why tf it's aiming at the foot

[15:29]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
ok lets say its not aimbot
what he do is reacting
there
which means he sees
ghost
and still i have bullet moments
u didnt answer that

[15:30]
sheo:
Yeah, because I haven't read that far
I will stop this and go working. This is pontless, even if I prove to you that he is legit, it's not gonna get him unbanned in sirplease

[15:32]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
u cant prove

[15:32]
sheo:
And if your goal is to convince me, you are failing so far

[15:32]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
well we still have a deeeel my friend

[15:32]
sheo:
Yeah I dont care
I take my words back, you are smarter than me
Convincing a pro player to ban other pro player for cheating, while he is legit, you have to be smart for that

[15:33]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
on the comments please
I take my words back, you are smarter than me

[15:33]
sheo:
No

[15:33]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
allright
good luck on work

[15:34]
sheo:
you can post the screenshot if its important
of chat log

[15:34]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
sure
if u dont mind?

[15:34]
sheo:
suire thing, go ahead

[15:35]
Watch Fray Cheating ⁧⁧Click*:
) have a good day